Just asking

I am sure I am not the only one out there in race land with this burning question.... Lets say a driver refuses to be torn down. Is PCS going to allow them back to race??? Noone has asked my opinion but I am giving anyways. I think PCS should allow the driver back to race. However, if the driver places in the top three, he/she needs to be torn down just as he/she should have been when they refused. Sounds pretty darn fair to me for everyone.

Most tracks do tear downs for races with extra payout money involved, or only if challenge money is paid. In my experience, if a car refuses tear down and is DQ'ed, it is then up to the track management as to whether the car can return without first being teched in some way.

You have to remember that cars get repainted, renumbered, and return with new owners, and it can be tough to keep track of. The same car may return with a different engine as well, so a perfectly legal car one week may have an illegal engine the next.

If you guys want a rule at Putnam then bring it up! It will certainly be considered.

I agree with the being torn down, but ONLY for Special Event races, or when someone puts the money up. But NEVER could the track ELECT to tear someone down just "because" they see it fit.
What some of the fans don't realize is that sometimes a driver REFUSES to be torn down because it costs them a couple hundred $$ to put their motor back together, not because they're illegal. And you can almost guarantee that your motor will NEVER act the same again.
So to some drivers, getting torn down to win your measly $300, but paying $200 or more to put your $5k PLUS motor back together just isn't worth it! Might as well just get the DQ for the night and go on with it.



Jennifer

But with the case saturday night. They were just checking struts and the 39 1/2 still refused to tech.. I woulod have taken out my struts for $200 unless I have something to hide..Heck I took mine out to win $30.. Thats part of racing.. The engine is another thing..It would end up costing you in the long run to tear it down and putting it back together depending how far they tear it down.. It was also a special race for the Bombers and everyone was told a few day before online that it was going to happen and everyone in the bombers was also told in the drivers meeting that it was going to be done with the top 3 cars..So it was no supprise to anyone about it

.if it is something that does not cost a race team nothing but a little time i see no foul,but if you are talking about a engine or tranny break down that will cost a poor race team money that it probally dont have.then that challange should come from the compition with the proper breakdown money paid to help cover the costs.

I agree, I would pull my suspension and stuff like that for pretty much nothing but I wouldn't tear into motor and stuff that was going to cost me more or close to what i am going to win. I just don't see why this whole situation has turned into such a big deal, refusing tech is a DQ, plain and simple. The top 3 pures have had carbs pulled apart, rocker arms removed, wheelbase checked, and so on, and they did it and nobody has been found cheating yet. Life goes on and hopefully people gt over it soon. Too bad people don't dwell as much on the good as they do the BAD.......

Well said Rick & John ... I agree with you on that

I agree rick. i would have no problem with taken struts an springs out. BUT kinda wish they would give us a heads up on the whole backwards thing. i didnt make it that far but still a heads up woulda been nice..

Hows your car 12Pac? You gonna get it back out there this weekend?

Beavis wrote:

But with the case saturday night. They were just checking struts and the 39 1/2 still refused to tech.. I woulod have taken out my struts for $200 unless I have something to hide..Heck I took mine out to win $30.. Thats part of racing.. The engine is another thing..It would end up costing you in the long run to tear it down and putting it back together depending how far they tear it down.. It was also a special race for the Bombers and everyone was told a few day before online that it was going to happen and everyone in the bombers was also told in the drivers meeting that it was going to be done with the top 3 cars..So it was no supprise to anyone about it

Danny himself didn't refuse the tear down, his car owner did. Even still, that's the point I was trying to make by Shorti saying that the track needs to pretty much penalize those that refuse to tear down. If it's something stupid and simple that isn't going to cost them more than what it's worth then I would understand. But when it comes to motors, I don't feel they should be penalized by not being allowed to return back to the track unless tech goes thru their car. IMHO, Putnam doesn't need to be turning away ANY cars, illegal, legal, wrong tires, or not. Penalizing, yes, Dq'ing, yes, telling them not to return until their car is legal? NO.
We stopping coming there because one of the Sportsman drivers "mechanic" was running his mouth saying that they weren't going to run their ONE CAR against the 4 Sportsmans from NFS that wanted to run there. Keep in mind, there was NO SET RULES as of yet. So we stopped coming. Needless to say, so did that same Sportsman driver.
Timmy and I saw Clarence at the Walmart in Palatka on Sunday before we left to come home, he said he plans on trying to run Sportsman this weekend. So we'll be there, along with Kevin and Uncle Bob. Timmy is trying to get ahold of some other drivers, including Terry, Dewey Hall, and a few others to see if they will come as well.
So HOPEFULLY we'll have somewhat of a turn out this weekend!



Jennifer

I hope you guys are successful getting some sportsmans out there. It would be nice to see more than 3 on the track. See you guys this weekend.

Well yeah I forgot his owner told him not to tear it down.. I was just using the drivers name since I have no idea who the others are..

I hope to see you all come and race this weekend..Hope to get some sportsman there..you are right .. Putnam needs car counts..

my car should be fixed. i broke a rim a tire and a spindle as far as i can tell. if not ill be there watchin.

I must clarify my previous post. My thought behind it was that the 391/2(or any other car this pertains to) should be subjected to the same tear down as the other three gladly allowed when/if he returns to PCS and wins. I didnt say or dont believe he should have to tear down his engine I was just saying he shouldnt be allowed to return to PCS,win and not have to tear down after refusing it,therefore leading to his dq..

One final thing I must address. I keep reading that it was the owner of the 391/2 that refused tear down. I do understand the driver had to do as he says but I also feel that if the driver knew he was 100 percent legal,nothing to hide he wouldnt have acted like he did that night at the tech shed. I was at the tech shed from the beginning to the end and saw how the driver of the car was ticked off about the tear down(even though it was posted for a few days prior to the race) and cussing,saying how thats bullsh@# and calling the other drivers whiners. I feel if the driver knew he was legal he would have put up a fight with the car owner to tear it down...I.E. come on man lets just do it,lets prove these whiners we are 100 percent legal Its okay man we can tear it down in no time,etc... That kind of thing From where I was standing that wasnt the scenario at all

It all seems pretty stupid. If it was legal, why not pop out the springs and be done with it. Isn't 200.00 a lot for a bomber race? A lot of the other tracks only pay first if they even pay correct? I also don't see why the drivers would be called whiners when it wasn't them that whined about tearing down. It all seems pretty stupid to me. I hope this weekend goes real well and no issues. See you guys out there for a good night of racing hopefully. I hope the weather changes early enough.....

Shorti wrote:

I must clarify my previous post. My thought behind it was that the 391/2(or any other car this pertains to) should be subjected to the same tear down as the other three gladly allowed when/if he returns to PCS and wins. I didnt say or dont believe he should have to tear down his engine I was just saying he shouldnt be allowed to return to PCS,win and not have to tear down after refusing it,therefore leading to his dq..

One final thing I must address. I keep reading that it was the owner of the 391/2 that refused tear down. I do understand the driver had to do as he says but I also feel that if the driver knew he was 100 percent legal,nothing to hide he wouldnt have acted like he did that night at the tech shed. I was at the tech shed from the beginning to the end and saw how the driver of the car was ticked off about the tear down(even though it was posted for a few days prior to the race) and cussing,saying how thats bullsh@# and calling the other drivers whiners. I feel if the driver knew he was legal he would have put up a fight with the car owner to tear it down...I.E. come on man lets just do it,lets prove these whiners we are 100 percent legal Its okay man we can tear it down in no time,etc... That kind of thing From where I was standing that wasnt the scenario at all

I wasn't there, we were at NFS, so I couldn't tell ya how Danny's behavior was. Nor does it really matter. Because quite frankly, I know Danny personally and know that there must have been a damn good reason for him to get pissy with anyone. And well, the whinners and cryers, we've been there and done that. Everywhere you go there will always be whinners.
But I do have to say, you're "feeling" about the driver should have put up a fight with the car owner to tear down...Unless you are truely in that position, then you have no idea. When Timmy use to drive for my dad, what my dad told him about HIS CAR, was how it was. Timmy didn't argue about it. For the simple fact that it wasn't HIS CAR. If you're driving someone elses car and you want to CONTINUE to drive that car, then you don't go argueing with the owner just to prove a few whinners a point.
Danny passed tech at Ocala Friday night, I was able to whitness that one because we were there. But for him to refuse tear down at Pcs, I honestly just believe there was a logical reasoning for it.
But like I said, I'm not part of this battle...I just chimed in with my two sense about the being penalized for not tearing down thing. It's penalty enough getting DQ'd for the night. Don't drag it out to another week. The driver gets DQ'd, gets no money, no points. End of story. If the driver comes back the following week and places in the top 3 and the track wants to tear him down, they need to do it to the TOP 3, not just that single driver. JMO :]



Jennifer

Well put...... SOooooooo...... how about this weather??????? Who's ready to race this weekend?
LET"S MOVE ON TO A BRIGHTER SUBJECT...........

I hope this weather gets better soon! Timmy's been home from work for 2 days. I'm about to start pulling my hair outtttttt! Kidding.
How's that new babygirl doing, John? Are you gonna have her at the races this weekend?


Jennifer

She's doing great. It's too early to bring her out there. We are going to wait til she's about 2 months old. Too much noise for her little ears and too much dust for her little lungs. I hope we are able to run this week with this stupid rain. We need it though.

if it does let up I think the pits will be too wet for us..

we'll see I guess. I was wanting to take my car down to Ocala this week too, but don't think thats going to happen.

Are any of you out there asking yourselves why??? Why do people come racing at PCS each Saturday if it sucks as bad as some people are posting on this website and others??? Thats not to say that PCS doesnt have some things that need to be fixed and made right. But the people talking how badly its run and how all the people that go there are crap and blah blah blah why do they bother coming to a track that they claim to be run by a jerk and patronized by equal jerks. I sure think if its so bad at PCS DONT COME STAY HOME OR BETTER YET CONTINUE GOING TO ALL THE OTHER TRACKS THAT ARE SUPPOSSEDLY WITHOUT ANY ISSUES!!! Also. like I have said before people are saying how badly PCS is run and it needs this and needs that,etc.. well then step up put the money where your mouth is run it "the right way" or stop complaining!! Instead of bashing PCS, come up with ways to make it better.

Now enough of that, lets all hope the rain stops soon so we can go racing at the best dirt track in North East Florida, PCS!!!!! See you there

john114 wrote:

She's doing great. It's too early to bring her out there. We are going to wait til she's about 2 months old. Too much noise for her little ears and too much dust for her little lungs. I hope we are able to run this week with this stupid rain. We need it though.

That's good to hear.
Kaden's first time at the race track was when he was 3 weeks old. I was skeptical about taking him because I didn't want to get him sick or anything(It was in January and cold out) But we bundled him all up when it got cold and I usually sit in the tower with him, so the noise isn't so terribly bad. But it didn't even bother him at all! His pediatrician said that's because babies get use to things that they hear in their momma's belly and we were at the races faithfully every weekend when I was pregnant, so he must have gotten use to the noise lol....And whenever I do sit in the stands, I turn his carseat around backwards and cover him with a blanket to keep the dust/dirt from getting him!
Anyways, look forward to seeing her! She's a little cutie.




Jennifer

Being in the tower would def make it easier for the most part. We will bring her out soon enough. She is 14 days old now. she is precious

Maybe we should consider trading in our racecars for boats.