Limited Modifieds

How many are there out there that would run a limited modified?

i know i am one of them

i think running ocala's rules are a great idea, then these guys can come up and race on sat. nite

and i also agree on the limited mods. they need to get these cars under control, in all classes.

I know there are some more local guys who want to run Modifieds.

The Limeted Mods started in 2009 at NFS and were Origanaly called E-mod
for economy mod, I ran the entire 2009 season in a chassis which was built
origianly about 1990 as an asphault car then ran as a dirt car at Jax for Ray
Stamps. My point being, It is a DINOSAUR on 3link and a stock 9inch housing.
The motor had been left outside for 2years with duct tape over the intake which
had obviously dryrotted and let the rain in. I beat the pistons out and honed the
heavily pitted cylenders, slapped new rings, berrings, (cheepest Advance had)
copper coated and reused the head gaskets, installed an old 390/410 cam from
the old purestock days at Jax and finneshed 2nd first night out. worst finish was
4th all year with that same motor and chassis. I also own an A mod but the racing
in that E-mod was more fun than I had had in years. 2 of my best friends and
Brother and Nephew all have these Limeted mods,but they are also tired of NFS's
crap. They run every other week and I think If putnam were to run them they
should try to run the exact rules NFS runs, (which will be getting a tweek for 2011),
and run them the opposite weeks. If PCS runs them strictly enforceing the rules
and make sure that those rules apply to EVERYONE! than they will become one
their biggest classes.

I have nothing against "cheaper" racing - but the whole reason I joined the Modified Class was because of the cheating in every other class. At least in the Modifieds, you don't have to worry about rules, pretty much. Weigh 2400 pounds, have the right 8" tire and you're pretty much good. I would support racing A-Mods one week and E-Mods the next, or however the Track decides to do it - but I'm NOT going to go out and buy a stock transmission and clutch setup to join the E-Mods.

How do you think they will be changing the rules? MY hopes would be the rules would essentially limlt the engine for a lower cost engine. I dont agree with making the rules differant in the chassis or running gear. Such as stock trannie's. That to me does not reduce the cost. For example a used falcon or bert cost about a 1000, but is bullet proof, last for years. Stock trannie, all of them are used. Prone to break at any given time. Broke 2 in street class this year. You also have to buy clutch, flywheel and we all know of the performance of these heavy stock assemblies. Also of the dangers when they let go. In the real old days the biggest danger in driving a modified with the stock type flywheel clutch was loosing your right leg, because of the engine setback its right beside your right leg. With the Bert the clutch is internal in the trannie, no additional cost. Ultimately I see the class being motor limited only Rules the same for all else. The modified was designed for easy engine removal, mainly for engine claiming. By myself with no help I can change motors in 3 hours. So if the cars were the same I could run both classes with the same car on alternating weeks. And all the people out there with modifieds colud race. Otherwise it will be like ocala and volusia ump modifieds with 3 cars with 30,000 motors winning all the races because the rest of the guys dont have that kind of money to spend. I like the idea of cam limit rule and quadrajets. Either way I plan on racing here.

I took to long writing that post, so it isnt in reply to yours Jason. I agree with you. Just want a good class to race in.

It doesnt matter what class you race in. Just win alot of races and you earn the title "CHEATER"

I'm sorry, I had to edit my prior post - I would NOT run a stock clutch or tranny, for the reasons Mike Tripp listed, and the cost as another.

If you need to run a stock clutch and tranny, you should race a Hobby or Street Stock, not 'hatin' just 'sayin'.

I also think the $30,000 figure is high. I have $4500 in parts in my motor, I could build 6 of them for $30,000 - but then again, Jeff from East Bay beat me almost every time we raced.

That is the part i dont understand is that every body bitchs about how much every body else motor cost, who cares especially when you are trying to get around putnum. If you think you got beat becuse Joe blow had a way bigger engine than you do then claim it. It cost 550 bucks for the long block per ump rules in the modified. If they refuse the claim then they sit out for a couple of weeks and have too pay a fine to come back and if they refuse a secound time they are done at any ump sanction track for the rest of the year. I'm not saying that engines for any car isn't cheap even if you build them your self you are still going to have a pile of money wrapped up in to them just to be competitive but the biggest trick is to get the chassis to work first. Most of the people that complain don't even take there car off the trailer till Thursday or fryday and maybe wash them and change the oil and load back up and hope for the best. You have to work on these thing to run up front. I'm not trying to stir up any bs but you can walk through the pits on any nite and pick out the one that pulled the car off the trailer on Sunday or monday and the ones that don't. You have to make adjustments to the front and rear check it out on scales every week to see what it changed and the biggest thing RITE IT DOWN IN A PAD and keep it put away for record what you did and how it worked. I bet Jason has notes from his asfault days packed away some ware in his shop. My point about all this is work on the cars a little bit and rite it down and see if it was better or worse. If you put a little time into your car then you will get a little more back out of them at the checkered.

IF the tracks would allow claiming as they rules state. That in it self would control the cost issue. But nobody wants to be claimed so they just tell the tracks that if I get claimed I aint coming back, I will race some place else. When have you seen a claim in florida? Ever see one at vcs or ocala? The only place I ever witnessed one was at Putnam in the 90's.
Read the rule book you are talking about at UMP, Its been about a year since I read it but if my memory serves mie right it states that in the drivers meeting they have to annouce where the claiming area is located. Have you ever heard that annoucement?

What I am after is class to run competitvly in without enormous cost. I can not afford a new car and motor every year. I know there are alot of other guys out there with modifieds in the same position. The position of wanting to race as inexspensive as possible. In the end I am going to race in one class or the other.

The reason you don't see much Claiming is because of the tremendous bad blood it breeds.
That and, honestly, most people have too much pride to claim - kinda like a 'gentlemens agreement' - you don't claim me and I won't claim you.
Big Johnson hit it, honestly - the people that complain the most could have 800HP and still run 7th.

Motors are just not that hard to do anymore - you can spend $4500 and make 550hp with no rules, like the Mods, or spend $13,000 to make 500hp in a NLMS motor
because of all the rules. Ask the engine builders who spends the most with them. I know at least 5 hobby stock teams who spend more on their motors then I do, but then again they are having to use certain parts (and hide the .... cough cough .... fudging). I buy a LOT of parts on EBAY (or used to. haven't bought anything lately).

People also seem to forget, the ORIGINAL IMCA Mods ran on a ROCK HARD tire. But the drivers hate 'em - but a hard tire takes those big pony motors right out of the
equasion (and makes chassis setup and driving even more important).

Very seriously, track condition plays a huge factor too. When it's slick, big motor Mods are a handfull ....

Good posts, Good information. Reminds me that modifieds is the best class. It has been a year since driving a modified. It is the most fun of all cars I have driven, looking forward to january and a chance to race again. Bought a house and 4 acres last year, been busy remodeling and renovating, almost done with house. Need to finish mod motor and hope to find some sponsers.

If you run a steel bellhousing, that eliminates the damage from blown up clutch. If the track would run a $1000 motor claim and no counter claim, that would limit the cost. But I believe maybe the best solution is to run G60s. You will have to learn to drive the car instead of drag racing..Good to hear from the Ole Crew of racers.

I would definately like an e-mod style class. Especially on hard tires. Regardless, I cant wait to visit and play at one of my alltime favorite tracks.